Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? (2024)

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Another vid that might interest you.... If Porsche are indeed taking this action it causes me to wonder about other remanufacturers. I suspect RUF may have a different status with Porsche..?

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this goes back to when Singer launched their Off road ACS and proclaimed it a Porsche, as all the jorno's were sipping champagne

Singer Vehicle Design has removed its ACS off-road 911 from its official website and Facebook page after Porsche complained about the large ‘Porsche’ lettering on the privately commissioned car.

Singer’s ACS (All-terrain Competition Study) was released to huge international acclaim in January, winning fans all over the world, but then, as we noticed last week, it mysteriously disappeared from the company’s website and Facebook page.

Porsche’s legal department was less than excited about its name appearing on the jacked-up 911 and asked Singer to pull all media of the car until the situation was rectified.

Porsche was in a tricky situation. Being seen to come over all heavy with a small operation with a huge global following like Singer could potentially generate bad PR for the German company. But it had to protect its brand name and asked Singer to withdraw the car until the branding issues were fixed.


this is now something bigger

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a lot of the docs are hard to access

Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? (5)

Porsche Cars North America, Inc. et al v. Singer Vehicle Design (1:24-cv-00253), Delaware District Court

Porsche Cars North America, Inc. et al v. Singer Vehicle Design (1:24-cv-00253), Delaware District Court, Filed: 02/26/2024

Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? (6)www.pacermonitor.com


Porsche Cars North America, Inc. et al v. Singer Vehicle Design

Plaintiff:​

Porsche Cars North America, Inc. and Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

Defendant:​

Singer Vehicle Design

Case Number:​

1:2024cv00253

Filed:​

February 26, 2024

Court:​

US District Court for the District of Delaware

Nature of Suit:​

Trademark

Cause of Action:​

15 U.S.C. § 1051 Trademark Infringement

Jury Demanded By:​

Plaintiff

Date FiledDocument Text

February 26, 2024​

Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? (7)

Filing 7 ORDER, granting D.I. #1 Motion to Seal. Signed by Judge Jennifer L. Hall on 02/26/2024. (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 6 Summons Issued as to Singer Vehicle Design on 2/26/2024. (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 5 Disclosure Statement pursuant to Rule 7.1: identifying Corporate Parent Porsche Enterprises Incorporated, Other Affiliate Volkswagen AG for Porsche Cars North America, Inc. ; Other Affiliate Volkswagen AG for Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG filed by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc.. (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 4 Report to the Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks for Patent/Trademark Number(s) Reg. No 618933; Reg. No. 1008642; Reg. No.2414167; Reg. No. 1036454. (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 3 Notice, Consent and Referral forms re: U.S. Magistrate Judge jurisdiction. (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 2 COMPLAINT filed with Jury Demand against Singer Vehicle Design ( Filing fee $ 405, receipt number ADEDC-4346882.) - filed by Porsche Cars North America, Inc., Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. (#1 Civil Cover Sheet) (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Filing 1 MOTION for leave to file portions of Complaint under Seal - filed by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc.. (Attachments: #1 Text of Proposed Order) (vfm)​

February 26, 2024​

Remark: Case submitted for routine judicial assignment. (vfm)​

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Porsche Cars North America, Inc. et al v. Singer Vehicle Design​

Delaware District Court
Judge:Maryellen Noreika
Case #:1:24-cv-00253
Nature of Suit840 Property Rights - Trademark
Cause15:1051 Trademark Infringement
Case Filed:Feb 26, 2024

Docket last updated: 03/29/2024 11:59 PM EDT

Tuesday, March 26, 202445 pgs misc Redacted Document Tue 03/26 11:15 AM
REDACTED VERSION of 2 SEALED Complaint by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (O'Byrne, Stephanie) Modified on 3/26/2024 (dlw)
Monday, March 25, 2024order Oral Order Mon 03/25 3:55 PM
ORAL ORDER - The parties have filed three extensions of time to file the redacted version of the 2 SEALED Complaint. See, D.I. 8, 9, 10. The latest extension extended the redaction deadline to 3/22/2024. To date, the redacted version has not been filed. On 3/22/2024, however, Plaintiff filed a Notice of Voluntary Dismissal. IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, if a redacted version of the SEALED Complaint is not docketed by 5:00 PM TOMORROW, 3/25/2024, the Court will unseal the Complaint and close the case. ORDERED by Judge Maryellen Noreika on 3/25/2024. (dlw)
Friday, March 22, 20241 pgs notice Notice of Voluntary Dismissal Fri 03/22 4:19 PM
NOTICE of Voluntary Dismissal by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc. as to Without Prejudice (O'Byrne, Stephanie)
Friday, March 15, 2024 motion Stipulation to EXTEND Time Fri 03/15 11:29 AM
STIPULATION TO EXTEND TIME to file a public version of the Complaint to March 22, 2024 - filed by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc.. (O'Byrne, Stephanie)
order SO ORDERED Fri 03/15 4:07 PM
SO ORDERED, re10 STIPULATION TO EXTEND TIME to file a public version of the Complaint to March 22, 2024 filed by Porsche Cars North America, Inc., Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. ORDERED by Judge Maryellen Noreika on 3/15/2024. (mdb)
Friday, March 08, 2024order SO ORDERED Fri 03/08 9:36 AM
SO ORDERED re9 Unopposed MOTION for Extension of Time to File a Redacted Version of the Complaint - Redactions due 3/15/2024. ORDERED by Judge Maryellen Noreika on 3/8/2024. (dlw)
Thursday, March 07, 2024motion Extension of Time to - Thu 03/07 6:43 PM
Unopposed MOTION for Extension of Time to File a Redacted Version of the Complaint - filed by Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Porsche Cars North America, Inc..(O'Byrne, Stephanie)

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Or it worked a treat and they got what they really wanted without needing to progress the legals ?

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We’ll never know whether Singer initially refused to cooperate , or whether Porsche served a notice on them without any prior discussions…
Either way, it’s a non-story.

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I think there is a story there to be fair, don't mess too much with our product and market it as porsche

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jonttt said:

I think there is a story there to be fair, don't mess too much with our product and market it as porsche

That’s kind of a given (especially knowing how protective Porsche is of its brand/IP)
But I meant the whole Singer going head to head with Porsche in court is now a non-story.

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If Singer did a re imagined Ford Capri there is no way they would get 10x the value of a decent classic Capri. Ergo the Porsche brand is leveraged and it’s not actually theirs..Ferrari would probably have stopped it years ago. We are in a world where brands get built by clicks and views, if youngsters grow up unable to differentiate between Porsche and Singer and then go on to think Porsche cars need “re imagining” it’s a problem. Singer should be under licence IMO.

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Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? (2024)

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Porsche Vs Singer legal situation..? ›

There's a ton of repetitive legalese in the 45-page document, but Porsche's main arguments were that by stepping outside the boundaries of the original and enforceable 2012 agreement Singer was guilty of breach of contract and was illegally using Porsche's trademarks (its badge and name) and its 'Trade Dress' (the ...

Does Porsche approve of Singer? ›

Singer is not sponsored, associated, approved, endorsed nor, in any way, affiliated with Porsche Cars North America, Inc., or Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche, AG.

How long is the waiting time for Singer Porsche? ›

Singer is not endorsed by or affiliated with Porsche. Despite the awkward naming conventions and shocking prices, Singer's business is booming. If you commission a “restomodded” 911 today, you'll likely be waiting until 2027 to take delivery. They're booked solid for three years.

What happened to singer Porsche? ›

Porsche was in a tricky situation. Being seen to come over all heavy with a small operation with a huge global following like Singer could potentially generate bad PR for the German company. But it had to protect its brand name and asked Singer to withdraw the car until the branding issues were fixed.

What is the controversy with Singer and Porsche? ›

There's a ton of repetitive legalese in the 45-page document, but Porsche's main arguments were that by stepping outside the boundaries of the original and enforceable 2012 agreement Singer was guilty of breach of contract and was illegally using Porsche's trademarks (its badge and name) and its 'Trade Dress' (the ...

What is the controversy with the Porsche? ›

Ferdinand Porsche's legacy and controversy: Ferdinand Porsche, renowned as the founder of Porsche and for creating the Volkswagen Beetle, also had a controversial past due to his involvement with the Nazi regime during World War II.

Who builds Singer Porsche engines? ›

Gallery: Singer Octagon Commission 911

The engines for them will continue to be assembled in the UK by Williams Advanced Engineering, as Road and Track reports. All other units under the deal will be built at Porsche Motorsport's North America headquarters.

Who is the owner of Singer Porsche? ›

Rob Dickinson, CEO & Founder of Singer Vehicle Design.

How many Singer Porsches have been made? ›

All 450 examples of Singer's Classic models have been built as bespoke creations for each owner, although they share the same formula and philosophy.

Are Singer Porsches fast? ›

Stats aren't official, but you're looking at late threes 0-62mph according to the TG-patented bum-dyno, mainly because at 12-1,300kg, these aren't heavy things. Kudos to Singer for not going for an internet-baiting 750bhp just because it could. This is about balance, rather than Top Trumps.

How much does a Singer Porsche sell for? ›

The price of a 911 re-imagined by Singer starts at over $475,000. Examples have sold at auction for well over $1 million.

What is the lead time for ordering a Porsche? ›

To ensure that you receive the exact Porsche you want on the delivery date you specify, place your order at least 12 weeks prior to delivery. Your dealer may still be able to find you a car in less than 12 weeks, but your selection may be limited by production availability.

Where is the Singer Porsche factory located? ›

The good news, however, is that Singer now builds its cars in a new and larger facility in Torrance, California. This is the place where the firm now holds all its operations under one roof – from the spare and new parts inventory to the paint shop, to the general assembly, and finishing touches.

How much horsepower does a singer 911 have? ›

Based on 964-generation 911s, Singer's latest custom-built cars boast a carbon-fiber widebody, a 700-hp twin-turbo 3.8-liter flat-six, and a manual gearbox.

Is the singer still in business? ›

In 2004 the sewing business and the Singer trademarks were sold to a private U.S. investment firm, and in 2006 it became part of SVP Worldwide, which combined Singer with Husqvarna Viking and PFAFF, two other major sewing machine producers.

Who got sued for sounding too much like legendary rock singer? ›

John Fogerty wasn't sued for sounding like himself, he was sued for plagiarizing a song he didn't own. Although Fogerty won and apparently eventually got his legal costs back.

Which celebrity owns one of the largest Porsche collection? ›

Jerry Seinfeld

Seinfeld has a particular affinity for Porsches but owns a collection of about 150 vehicles valued at a staggering $50 million. Some of the masterpieces in Seinfeld's automobile menagerie include a rare 1955 Porsche 550 Spyder and the one-of-a-kind 1949 Porsche 356/2.

How many Porsche 911 singers were made? ›

Founder says the 450 cars built will have their values protected.

Did Porsche lose money on the 959? ›

Porsche, which reportedly lost money on every 959 it built, declined. But an enterprising Nissan executive pulled a fast one, and that is how we have this car. With fewer than 300 production models built in the initial run in 1987 and 1988, every Porsche 959 is special.

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